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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:38 pm 
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howard zinn died at 87 today

he was a writer and historian. he was very active during the civil rights era of the 60s, and in fact was one of the major leaders (or at least supporters) of the movement.

his most famous book is A People's History of the United States. it tells the story of the US from the perspective of the working class and minorities - rather than the cleaned up ultra-partisan version kids learn in school. i liked it a lot although it got a bit dry in the middle like an old sandwich.

if you've never heard of him or read anything by him, i recommend you read it. you can probably get a used paperback copy at amazon for 99 cents

he's got plenty of stuff online but most of it was topical at the time it was written years ago which means it's a bit less powerful to read now, decades later.

here's an example, putting clinton's lies about monica lewinski in perspective:
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In all the excitement about Bill Clinton's sex scandal, have we as a nation lost a sense of proportion? Clinton has lied to us, deceived us, and then covered up his deceptions about something which, however odious, we did not need to know about and caused no one to lose a life. But there's a long list of Presidents who have lied to us and deceived us, especially since World War II, about activities that we had every right to know, activities in which thousands, even millions, of people lost their lives.
Let's start with Harry Truman. He deceived the nation and the world when he described Hiroshima-which he had just devastated by atomic bomb-as "an important Japanese Army base." More than 100,000 civilians-men, women, and children-died in this city of 350,000.
Truman also lied to the nation about our war in Korea, saying we were fighting for democracy (hardly, since South Korea was a military dictatorship). More than 50,000 Americans died there. And perhaps two million Koreans.
Dwight D. Eisenhower lied about our spy flights over the Soviet Union, even after one flier on such a mission was shot down. He deceived the nation and the world about the U.S. involvement in the coup that overthrew a democratic government in Guatemala. That coup brought on a succession of military juntas that took tens of thousands of lives. Eisenhower deceived the nation about the U.S. role in subverting a government in Iran because it was offending multinational oil corporations. The United States put the Shah of Iran back on the throne, and his secret police tortured and executed thousands of his opponents.
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John F. Kennedy lied to the nation about U.S. involvement in the 1961 failed invasion of Cuba, telling a press conference: "I can assure you that the United States has no intention of using force to overthrow the Castro regime."
Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon all lied to the nation about what was happening in Vietnam. Kennedy said the United States was not involved in the overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem. And Kennedy repeatedly claimed that American fliers were not involved in the bombing of Vietnam, even though he sent two helicopter companies there as early as 1962, with the U.S. military dropping napalm shortly thereafter.
Johnson and Nixon both lied when they claimed only military targets were bombed (reporters knew the greatest number of deaths was among civilians). And Nixon deceived the nation about the secret bombing of Cambodia.
Reagan lied to the nation about his covert and illegal support of the contras in Nicaragua. He lied about the importance of Grenada in order to justify the 1983 invasion of that little island.
George Bush lied about the reasons for invading Panama in 1989, saying it was to stop the drug trade. In fact, the United States has allowed the drug trade to flourish. Bush also deceived the nation about his real interest in the Persian Gulf. He pretended to be anguished about the fate of Kuwait while he was actually more concerned about enhancing American power in Saudi Arabia and controlling the region's oil deposits.

And what of Clinton's deceptions? Against this history of lies that brought death to so many people, Clinton's deceptions about sex are ludicrous. But these are all that the politicians and pundits care about.

Clinton has had his own share of lies and deceits about lethal public policy. But he is not in trouble for those.

People who are indignant that he lied about sex with "that woman" were silent when he deceived the nation about the need to bomb a "nerve gas plant" in the Sudan. His Administration could produce no evidence that the plant was anything but what the Sudanese government said it was-a plant that produced medicines for the Sudanese people.

Where was the criticism of Clinton when he signed the crime bill to build more prisons and execute more people on the falsehood that these acts will deter crime?

Where was the criticism of Clinton when he approved the attack on the Waco compound, which led to the deaths of eighty-one people, arguing erroneously that it was the only alternative?

Where was the criticism of Clinton when his Administration refused to join the international ban on land mines or authorize a strong world court on the specious grounds that the United States would be in jeopardy?

Where was the criticism of Clinton when he defended Boris Yeltsin's brutal attack on Chechnya by obscenely comparing it to Abraham Lincoln's war to unify the states?

Where was the criticism of Clinton when he continued the embargo on Iraq, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, with the bogus rationale that the embargo punishes Saddam Hussein?

Now these hypocrites, so silent when people die as a result of lies and deceptions, summon indignation about Clinton's sexual activities. The President has lost his "moral authority," they say.

Did he not lose moral authority when he took away basic benefits from single mothers and food stamps from immigrants?

Did he not lose moral authority when he insisted on maintaining a $250 billion a year military machine when money is desperately needed for health, education child care?

If politicians and journalists have lost their sense of moral proportion, must we, as citizens, lose ours? Should we not pull back from our obsession with lies about sex and concentrate on finding out the truth about policies that mean life or death for people in this country and all over the world?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:49 pm 
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why the fuck dont i learn this stuff in "American history" ?
cool perspective though, really eye opening.

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Ordered "A People's History of the United States" so I can read in class..
The two subjects I absolutely LOVE are history and medicine... I don't get to read much history but I love to, when I can.
I'm definitely not a book person so this'll be new to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:22 pm 
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here's a good essay by him, written in 1999:

For those not in the know, let me explain that we who write for the progressive-radical movement have our specialties. Some specialize in writing depressing stuff. Others write humorous pieces. Some concentrate on trashing other Left writers. It seems that there was an opening this month for someone to inspire, and I was chosen.

Not an easy job, when the United States government (I was about to say "we", in Dan Rather style, but decided that my interests and those of the White House do not coincide) has just finished dropping thousands of cluster bombs on Yugoslavia, the victims being whoever happened to be in the vicinity, whether Albanians or Serbs, men or women, adults or children, who are now dead, or without limbs. And yet my editor says: "Inspire, please."

Okay, let me have a go at it. I've just returned from London, where I was invited to speak to a gathering of socialists (I won't get more specific than that) who assemble every year, I learned, around the topic of "Marxism." I confess that what enticed me was that they promised to do a one-evening performance of my play "Marx in Soho," a one-person play in which Marx appears in the present, saying, with a laugh (yes, Marx really said this to someone who annoyed him): "I'm not a Marxist!")

Well (to get away from promoting my play, though it's hard), I expected to find assembled in London a few hundred aging, solemn Leftists who, against the general insistence, across the political spectrum, that "Marxism is dead," insist on the importance of the old "Moor" and the validity of the socialist ideal.

I had the numbers wrong. Not hundreds, but six thousand were there, mostly from the United Kingdom, many from other European countries, and some from the United States. I also had the ages wrong. They were almost all young people, from early twenties to early thirties. And I had the temperament wrong. They were lively, exuberant, fun-loving people.

Maybe you won't agree, but I found this inspiring. Or, to use less extravagant language - encouraging. Six thousand people, assembled in one place, who believe in socialism, and who were denouncing the actions of the U.S. and Britain in Yugoslavia? At a time when the British Labor Party, once committed to socialism, is Blairing forth its belief in the wonders of the market and the miracle of bombing? Yes, that's encouraging.

Now comes the difficult part. The gathering was sponsored by the Socialist Workers Party. Yes, as some on the Left would say, caustically, "the Trots." And about half of the 6000 people seemed to be trying to sell the Party newspaper, the Socialist Worker, to the other half. I have always been careless about security matters, and, have never checked the credentials, or run their literature through a scanner, of people or organizations who invited me to speak to them. I suppose I have been so hungry for listeners that, unlike Groucho Marx, I will talk to any group that will have me.

I recall a moment during the Vietnam War when a self-appointed political commissar of the anti-war movement phoned me: "Howard, I see you endorsed the anti-war rally called by the SWP [yes, that same inescapable bunch]. You really should have run that by me." Well, I was always repelled by this scrutinizing of people who, whatever they were doing at other times, seemed to be devoting themselves at the moment to a worthy cause. As sectarians often say, let's not be sectarian.

The London conference began with a spirited rally at the Friends Meeting House (those Quakers don't scrutinize either, the softies!) at which Tariq Ali, the veteran English radical, subjected the New Labor honchos now ruling Britain to an eloquent and scathing critique. And the next days were filled with dozens and dozens of gatherings, with these young, eager people rushing from one to another, whether the subjects were topical (East Timor, global warming, Kosovo, blues and rock, the arms trade) or theoretical ("the birth of historical materialism" - "is there progress in history"), or esoteric political economy ("the labor theory of value" - "the declining rate of profit").

It was encouraging to find people there who foreshadow a coming multiracial generation of radicals. Like the young woman, born in Vietnam, transported to the United States at the age of two by her parents. Her father had been in the Saigon army and a supporter of the United States, but over the years his daughter, now an enthusiastic socialist, had led him to rethink his views.

The evenings were filled with music, disco , plays. And movies: Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" (Vietnam at its rawest), "Gallipoli" (one of the most powerful of anti-war films), "When We Were Kings" (Mohammed Ali). It was not a gathering of scholars but of activists. And so the air was filled with leaflets advertising this or that rally, demonstration, action.

There was no coverage in the mainstream English press: not in the Times, the Guardian, the Independent. Which should instruct us all not to judge the degree of dissidence in the society by what we see in the media. Imagine how many gatherings and actions are taking place all the time that we don't know about because they are not covered by radio, television, or newspapers.

But when you look closely, when you listen to alternative radio broadcasting, read outside-the-mainstream periodicals (The Progressive, Z Magazine, The Nation, In These Times), check the stories in The Nuclear Resister, or the newsletters put out by Jonah House in Baltimore, keep your eyes open for unorthodox sources of information, secretly check the internet - you realize how many people in this country and all over the world do not accept the political and economic system that now dominates.

I don't know about you, but I am encouraged.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:09 am 
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Sounds really interesting.....
Btw, I don't want give a bad image to your heroes ,but Theodore Roosevelt is really (and i mean REALLY) hated in South America mostly for what we call here "La Ley del Garrote".

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i don't really give a shit about roosevelt. the only politicians i admire are huey long and harold washington

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:30 am 
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I'd say a good %90 or more never heard of these things. I was playing jailbreak on a css server the other day and asked a trivia question: who was the first president of the USA? and nobody knew the answer. I also feel like schools don't teach enough about culture and the history of african-americans, asians, and mexicans, and therefore a lot of kids grow up and become intolerant towards other cultures because theyre "not like us" and lack understanding of different peoples' experiences.




RIP HOWARD ZINN

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man, that first essay was kick ass. I can't believe that fucking Clinton Sex Scandal is a big deal. Three years ago, when I took my fucking AP US History exam, the only thing I had to know about Clinton was Monica Lewinski. No joke. The world needs more people like Howard Zinn.

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stickbeast wrote:
The world needs more people like Howard Zinn.

or just a howard zinn zombie... just saying be his essays would be more interesting that way.

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