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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by scobywhru » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:37 pm

You are making some grand notes there rough. DX12 isn't well supported yet, it makes little difference now and any vendor specific optimization could well in fact support higher frame rate and graphics. Planning to support DX12 as the holy grail will lead to disappointment. I Mention it as only a note for the years that the computer will work.

Again DDR4 is a safe bet for an upgrade path down the line, it's is the same cost as DDR3 but easier to find and will be easier down the line.

And Prolix, I don't like Intel I like AMD but I am usually looking at it as which CPU and how many I can put into a rack of servers, and AMD just never enters my radar thanks to the terrible performance per watt numbers. I am looking forward to to the AMD ARM processors. I am glad the performance is finally catching up again.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Eviltechie » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:45 am

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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Grndslmhttr3 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:28 am

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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Ian7 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:22 am

oh fuck a 980 ti
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Django » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:41 pm

Ok, so like sorry to interfere, im no computer stud like the rest of y'all ,but consider how much more are you spending now compared to you initial build.
Eviltechie wrote: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6WGdsY

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($479.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($50.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($124.78 @ B&H)
Monitor: Dell P2214H 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($179.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1484.63
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wTVjt6

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($619.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NZXT)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Full - USB (32/64-bit) ($199.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: Dell S2716DG 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($599.00 @ Adorama)
Total: $2077.89
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Consider going more middle ground on these two categories, so maybe you can save more than 300 bucks or so.
Eviltechie wrote:Monitor: Dell P2214H 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($179.99 @ Best Buy)
Monitor: Dell S2716DG 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($599.00 @ Adorama)
Difference: $420

and

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($619.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($479.99 @ Micro Center)
Difference: $140
Though in a way it will be cool having the pricey-er alternatives, have in mind the advantages/disadvantages of having a larger monitor in relation with the more sophisticated video card. Imo, why not go for a cheaper monitor/pricier video card, maybe upgrading the monitor it in a near future?
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by rottencheeseCA » Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:29 pm

Just get a titan x and you can bump that price up 500 bucks
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Neelpos » Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:42 pm

EvilTechie wrote:$2K PC with 500GB of storage and 550W PSU on a $90 MoBo
I disagree with some of these decisions, Techie.

Also you're missing a CPU cooler + additional case fans, looks like that case only comes with 1 and you're designing something that's gonna run hot.

Also if you're trying to go for high-res AND high-frame rate then you might as well ditch the $600 980 and just SLI two $300 970's.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Eviltechie » Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:02 am

I'm not sure what I'm doing anymore. Please send help.


My current thought is to get a 1440p144 monitor capable of freesync/gsync and build from there. My budget tops out at $2000. Less is obviously fine.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Ian7 » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:08 pm

Neelpos please tell him to save some $$$ and just get our monitor.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Neelpos » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:56 pm

I'll take a look after work and see if I can't suggest an alternate build for you, Techie. If 1440p/144hz is your guide you're going to want to do better than Dell unless you enjoy headaches.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Neelpos » Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:47 pm

Alright.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RZDrTW
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CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($151.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($309.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($309.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($89.95 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Antec 75120 79.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($11.09 @ Mac Mall)
Case Fan: Antec 75120 79.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($11.09 @ Mac Mall)
Monitor: BenQ XL2730Z 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($501.98 @ Newegg)
Total: Image $2057.35 Image
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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So for basically the same price you can get a lot better, there are however a lot of things to keep in mind here.

1: Going for 1440p 144hz means you're going to get more bang for your buck now with 970s in SLI, but it's not going to last as long as a 980ti, so you basically need to choose between the longevity of your graphics card vs high framerates, because if you go with the 980ti then the 144hz isn't going to be all that important unless you're cool with turning down the graphics, which according to the price you're willing to spend, seems unlikely. I would actually recommend you simply choose between 1440p and 144hz rather than both, because that'll again save you a buncha money and you could then meet a middleground and just get the GTX980 instead of SLI or ti and be all set. It'll save you not only cash but a headache as well. 1440p 144hz at this point in time is "enthusiast with too much money" level and requires some pretty crazy hardware.

2: If you're intending to buy Windows (lol) then just get an older version or w/e, Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 all get free upgrades to Windows 10 and are all respectively cheaper, so you just install it, update to the current service pack, and then bump up to Windows 10.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Eviltechie » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:20 pm

I actually came to a similar looking build last night.

Two things though:

When I looked at benchmarks, two 970's seemed to be exactly equal to a 980ti. Same price, same benchmarks. The 980ti wins though because you can get a cheaper motherboard that doesn't support SLI, and the 980ti has more VRAM. (I'm pretty sure that VRAM is not combined when doing SLI.)

The monitor you chose has freesync instead of gsync. Freesync is an AMD thing, while gsync is a Nvidia thing.

Also, I think I can reuse my old Windows 7 license. That saves the price of a copy of Windows.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Zmzbqs

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.95 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus H170-PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($110.00 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($153.28 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.00)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($619.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NZXT)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell S2716DG 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($570.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1954.17
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Neelpos » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:24 am

Freesync is compatible with nvidia cards unlike G-sync and AMD, and like I said before Dell is a bad call, Benq, Acer, and Asus all make quality 144hz monitors
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Roughjericho » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:51 am

Neelpos wrote:Freesync is compatible with nvidia cards unlike G-sync and AMD
Are you high, man? Freesync is AMD-only. Nvidia hasn't adopted the standard, at least not yet. It's G-sync or bust.
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Seeing as Techie's planning to use this computer for a while, I'm looking further down the road here. DX12 doesn't make a big difference now, yes, but further down the line it's gonna be a gamechanger in the hands of the right developers as it's new features get into wide use. Same with Vulkan. Vendor specific optimization wouldn't cut it unless said developers fuck up the implementation (which, granted, is very likely).
Neelpos wrote:and like I said before Dell is a bad call, Benq, Acer, and Asus all make quality 144hz monitors
I've had a good run with an Acer monitor (back when i was stuck at 900p) and I know Asus is good, too. Would recommend AOC if they had G-sync monitors but to my knowledge they don't.


Final thoughts:
If you're gonna double down here, consider going for broke and jump to a i7-6700. Otherwise, you're pretty much golden aside from the monitor.
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Re: Eviltechie builds a pc

Post by Neelpos » Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:22 pm

Agh you're right, there were articles making the rounds a year ago saying Nvidia was going to open up support for Freesync since it's non-proprietary, which is a very Nvidia thing to do (leverage the competition to allow people to still buy Nvidia hardware), but looks like they backtracked and told everyone to suck a lemon and spend an extra 100 for their dinky little proprietary chip.

Which is also a very Nvidia thing to do.
because you can get a cheaper motherboard
scrimping on a motherboard is risky, Tech, they're the nervous system of your build. Do some chipset research at least before you decide on what MoBo you want. Wouldn't want to bottleneck yourself.

Also Benq are the 144hz gods, but I remember hearing when you go for high end + G-sync Acer gives them a lot to compete with, with Asus being hit and miss based on your price bracket.

Basically outside of those 3 it's a shit show. Eizo and Dell especially are notable for "the glass is supposed to be in front of my eyes, not embedded in them."
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