And you thought BF3 was a rehash...

[SixtyWattMan]

What I'm saying is that there are ways to evolve your gameplay without say, Valve changing DE mode or DICE changing Conquest. I would say DICE has done a lot more to evolve their game than Valve whether you think it is for better or worse.

[Sizzler]

I agree, CS:GO is nothing but a rehash. But BF3 isn't all that innovative as a game?

BF3 is a modern quickdie shooter, it's what MoH 2010 and BC2 were trying to be from the beginning, with many of the same problems. BF2 and 2142 fans will be disappointed w the sped up gameplay, clustered maps, and the gutted squad and commander system, and fans of CoD are going to be disappointed because there's no way the gunplay or overall polish will stack up to CoD

[SixtyWattMan]

Then again you could look back on BF2 and see all of the horrible problems it had like aircraft balance issues, the PKM, and the commander system wasn't really much more than dropping supply boxes next to tanks, throwing a UAV over a known populated point, and dropping mortars on populated points. Most of the classes in BF2 sucked and spread utility so thin it was rare to find what you needed if you were pubbing. Jets and helis with TV missles dominated games because of fixed AA positions. I will agree that 4 person squads is retarded in a 64 player game. Gunplay in BF2 sucked also. The best gun in the game was the PKM, period. Fucking sniper rifle with a 100 round clip... first weapon I unlocked.

Also, CoD gunplay... rofl. CoD gunplay is flat out BAD. You point and spray. After playing the CODBLOPS free weekend and coming in first place almost every time I can tell you there is no learning curve or skill required in shooting in that game. Shotguns were worthless because by the time you were close enough for a kill the knife was already a better option and a guaranteed one hit kill. Thank fucking god the gunplay won't be like CoD.

[Django]

This game has alot of guns just like halo or call of duty

[Haymakers9th]

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!!

[Sizzler]

Then again you could look back on BF2 and see all of the horrible problems it had like aircraft balance issues, the PKM, and the commander system wasn't really much more than dropping supply boxes next to tanks, throwing a UAV over a known populated point, and dropping mortars on populated points. Most of the classes in BF2 sucked and spread utility so thin it was rare to find what you needed if you were pubbing. Jets and helis with TV missles dominated games because of fixed AA positions. I will agree that 4 person squads is retarded in a 64 player game. Gunplay in BF2 sucked also. The best gun in the game was the PKM, period. Fucking sniper rifle with a 100 round clip... first weapon I unlocked.

BF2 isn't at all perfect, it's a buggy mess like all Dice games are, but I think it offers a lot more than BF3 and BC2 do, it's pacing is a bit more manageable and there's a lot more opportunities for teamwork other than just spawning on squad members

I think there's a bit more depth to commander than that, Artillery is amazing for breaking stalemates or defending points from being back-captured, and tanks are useless on some maps without supply crates placed in good positions. The best BF2 map, Mashtuur City, rewards commanders that keep tabs on the movement of enemy helicopters and cars as they roam around and communicate with squad leaders

Eh, unlike BC2 the PKM isn't really the best gun, maybe it was at one time when the dive to prone was more accurate, it's good because it's decent at all ranges, so the US and Chinese alternatives are very situational by comparison. Medic is the de facto best infantry class in BF2, all the medic guns are really good, and don't forget BF2's medkits are amazing and restore all health instantly. The best squads are largely medics and anti tanks, and maybe a sniper or spec ops for the squad leader.

I agree with you about jets and helicopters, maps like Gulf of Oman were total shit because Jets flew around pretty much unopposed, blowing up all the APCs and bases with ease and gunning down the crappy static AA from out of draw distance. Helicopters aren't as much of a problem since they tend to blow each other up with TV missiles pretty quickly, but maybe they're a bit more interesting now that they can no longer instakill armor from a mile away

Also, CoD gunplay... rofl. CoD gunplay is flat out BAD. You point and spray. After playing the CODBLOPS free weekend and coming in first place almost every time I can tell you there is no learning curve or skill required in shooting in that game. Shotguns were worthless because by the time you were close enough for a kill the knife was already a better option and a guaranteed one hit kill. Thank fucking god the gunplay won't be like CoD.

Black ops is proof that Activision can put out a piece of shit and charge $60+ for it and CoD fans will roll in it willingly as long as it has the brand name. CoD 4 and MW2 were much better games, I don't think there was a single weapon in MW2 that wasn't amazing in the right circumstance

I think the BF3 alpha's gunplay had more similarities to CoD than differences, which fits right in with EA's big marketing push to "take down CoD". Weapons are just as laser accurate and deadly, and IMO even the prone in BF3 feels like it's right out of CoD4, kind of slow and restricting and not nearly as useful as it was in the old BF games

Also I thought some of the obvious deviations from CoD in BF3 alpha were just bad decisions, CQC was random as fuck or very rock-paper-scissors, (with shotguns and SMGs having a significant advantage) kind of how it was in BC2. The auto-correcting recoil makes the best long range tactics, firing in short bursts or tap firing, frustrating and unintuitive messes that just feel so horribly wrong. It's dumb that weapons have so much vertical muzzle climb yet snap back after firing like the recoil is not supposed to compensate for, more console shit in a supposed PC-focused game I guess

I'm still waiting for the BF3 beta to see if they've changed things, the deployable mortars, bomb defusing robots, and laser targets sound like cool features, but I doubt it'll be significantly different

[Django]

Intelligent article on why you should get modern warfare 3

[Grndslmhttr3]

but that's Black Ops

[Django]

but that's Black Ops

Guess they all look alike

[Sizzler]

this is horrible. CoD: now $100+ if you don't want to get kicked from every other server for missing map DLC

[NIPPER]

That sure is a complicated way of saying "you'll get a couple map packs"

[a1dan]

lol