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9/11

Post by BadHorsie » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:35 am

Could someone please explain an argument vs this video that makes sense?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeuN4cBFSXY

I know none of you are physicists like this guy, but either he is right and there is demolition involved or you can disprove his claim reasonably.

I want to believe bad guys outside the US did it, but I fear that bad guys from INSIDE the US did it. I think "What do bad guys outside the US have to gain? Nothing". Then I think "What do bad guys inside the US have to gain? A New World Order and money and so on and on". Also, "what do all the people have to gain by saying this seems to be an inside job? Nothing". Then the other side is, "what do the bad guys inside the US have to gain if they did it by saying they did not do it? Oh yeah! They get to stay out of prison and get rich and stuff."

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Re: 9/11

Post by Rat-morningstar » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:43 am

damn, i had an awesome link. give me a minute to find it.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Chief Cheese » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:06 am

just let this one die. it does not deserve pie.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Denali » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:15 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones

Jones' paper has been the center of controversy both for its content and its claims to scientific rigor.[19] Jones' early critics included members of BYU's engineering faculty;[20] shortly after he made his views public, the BYU College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the faculty of structural engineering issued statements in which they distanced themselves from Jones' work. They noted that Jones' "hypotheses and interpretations of evidence were being questioned by scholars and practitioners," and expressed doubts about whether they had been "submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."[21]

Some of Jones' colleagues have defended his work on 9/11 to varying degrees,[22] and Project Censored lists his 9/11 research among the top mainstream media censored stories of 2007.[23]

Jones maintains that the paper was peer-reviewed prior to publication within a book "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out" by D.R. Griffin[24], however it has never been published in an independent peer-reviewed journal.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Denali » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:25 am

You should also bring up that aluminum is used in building construction, seeing as he can't read my posts. In fact, I'd suggest you just quote me and post it to annoy him further, lol.

Just because you see molten metal, that in no way means that it must be steel. Jones holding a piece of steel from WTC7 in his hand in no way constitutes a demolition considering fragments of the building would be in all sizes after a collapse.

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

The video is also misleading in that it shows you cut steel beams, as if those were evidence of thermite being used. One, thermite would leave pools of molten metal and not clean cuts, an obvious contradiction to what the video was stating earlier. Secondly, these cuts were made by cleanup workers to prevent the beams from falling and injuring others. If the evidence is so damning, why the need for deception? Three, you would need 60 tons of thermite to cut the steel supports of the WTC (2:1 ratio in weight for thermite:steel). How exactly did they manage to hide 60 tons of thermite in the towers, and why do we not see any of the steel beams cut prior to the collapse?

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANV ... ermite.htm
1:25 is the relevant part.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Rat-morningstar » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:36 am

k, nevermind, denali did a good job
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Re: 9/11

Post by BadHorsie » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:41 am

Rat-morningstar wrote:k, nevermind, denali did a good job
Who?

Anyway, waiting for your link.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Denali » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:43 am

Rat-morningstar wrote:k, nevermind, denali did a good job
He has me on ignore so he can't read my posts. You should just quote me so he can see it. I should edit in calling him a retard, too. ^___^
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Re: 9/11

Post by BadHorsie » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:01 am

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Oh, that stupid fuck.

I have him on ignore, because he acts like a troll, joe said he's a troll, and he cannot debate without calling people names because he's a stupid fuck bent on pictures of little boys, so are his two dads, and then I have to respond in a similar fashion.

But, hey, happy to have a civil debate though.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Denali » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:15 am

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I am butthurt someone called me stupid.
LOL, hypocrite much?
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Re: 9/11

Post by MrBlip » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:13 am

Denali wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones

Jones' paper has been the center of controversy both for its content and its claims to scientific rigor.[19] Jones' early critics included members of BYU's engineering faculty;[20] shortly after he made his views public, the BYU College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the faculty of structural engineering issued statements in which they distanced themselves from Jones' work. They noted that Jones' "hypotheses and interpretations of evidence were being questioned by scholars and practitioners," and expressed doubts about whether they had been "submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."[21]

Some of Jones' colleagues have defended his work on 9/11 to varying degrees,[22] and Project Censored lists his 9/11 research among the top mainstream media censored stories of 2007.[23]

Jones maintains that the paper was peer-reviewed prior to publication within a book "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out" by D.R. Griffin[24], however it has never been published in an independent peer-reviewed journal.
Denali wrote:You should also bring up that aluminum is used in building construction, seeing as he can't read my posts. In fact, I'd suggest you just quote me and post it to annoy him further, lol.

Just because you see molten metal, that in no way means that it must be steel. Jones holding a piece of steel from WTC7 in his hand in no way constitutes a demolition considering fragments of the building would be in all sizes after a collapse.

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

The video is also misleading in that it shows you cut steel beams, as if those were evidence of thermite being used. One, thermite would leave pools of molten metal and not clean cuts, an obvious contradiction to what the video was stating earlier. Secondly, these cuts were made by cleanup workers to prevent the beams from falling and injuring others. If the evidence is so damning, why the need for deception? Three, you would need 60 tons of thermite to cut the steel supports of the WTC (2:1 ratio in weight for thermite:steel). How exactly did they manage to hide 60 tons of thermite in the towers, and why do we not see any of the steel beams cut prior to the collapse?

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANV ... ermite.htm
1:25 is the relevant part.
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Rat-morningstar wrote:k, nevermind, denali did a good job
He has me on ignore so he can't read my posts. You should just quote me so he can see it. I should edit in calling him a retard, too. ^___^
At first, Denali seemed like a dick, but his arguments are less insulting.

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Re: 9/11

Post by Rat-morningstar » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:52 am

ok, so, if you both stop acting like 5 year olds we might be able to get somewhere

heh, blip beat me to it
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Re: 9/11

Post by CaptainTripps » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:14 pm

he still seems like a dick. In fact we can cut thru the bullshit and call it like it is - Denali is a humongous dick. Doesn't make his arguments or references any less valid tho. Argue on the merits, not the way he presents them. Throw in a couple insults to his mother, if you want to keep things evened out. I hear she voted for Carter.
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Re: 9/11

Post by Rat-morningstar » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:31 pm

NO U!!
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Re: 9/11

Post by Chief Cheese » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:35 pm

Chief Cheese wrote:just let this one die. it does not deserve pie.
listen to the man, he is very wise indeed.
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