Common misconceptions about socialised healthcare

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Common misconceptions about socialised healthcare

Post by Dr.Boo » Fri May 20, 2011 12:39 pm

I thought I'd just list some of the misconception lots of Americans have about socialized healthcare. We Europeans have been living with it for decades and we're doing fine but it appears Americans still see it as something evil and whatnot.
I know j2 is mainly composed of the smart part of the American population and that you all know this shit already but eh, you never know if some republican lurks around here.
Plus, I just enjoy debunking ridiculous claims.
Anyways...

- You're taking away our freedom of choice! You take away our freedom to choose healthcare
What choice do you have now? Pay for your hospital bills or die from whatever condition you suffer. Where is your choice? Please tell me. I don't see much of a choice. Unless you enjoy being dead. Plus, what IF you can't "choose" your healthcare? WHo gives a shit? As long as it cures and saves you who cares? If get a heart attack, I don't give a shit what hospital saves me... as long as I'm saved.

- You steal our money to pay other people's hospital bills
Yeah... that's what we Europeans call solidarity. Indeed your money is used to pay other people's bills. But won't you be happy the day YOU get a heart attack, or need cancer treatment, or broke your leg, etc that you can partially rely on someone else's money? I heard breaking your leg costs you fucking 25.000$ in America... what the fuck? How do you pay your bill if you need a really necessary treatment (because anyone can catch cancer or get a heartattack, or break a limb or get infected with who knows what virus/bacterium) that costs you tons of money? You sell your fucking house or what?

- You're doing what Stalin/Lenin/Breznev did
There is a difference between Socialism and Communism. It's generally known that Socialism is one of the steps towards Communism. But the past has taught us that Communism doesn't work so well so we here in Europe decided to implement some Socialism without going further and take the step to Communism. We have socialized HC, but we still have free market economy, freedom of expression, no censoring, other political parties are allowed, etc. That's because we decided to only implement that part of Socialism that we deem helpful.
Of course we have political parties that wanna go further and go for Communism... but we have the choice not to vote for them. And we don't. The Communist party here doesn't even get 3% of the votes. Unless you're retarded, in a democratic society you have the choice not to elect parties you dislike.

- This sounds like what Hitler did in WWII to me
I'll agree that Hitler's party, the NSDAP, stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. But I don't think that's what scares people is it? What scares people about nazism, is the part where he rounded up jews and had them mass-exterminated. And the part where he military attacked other countries. I don't know what the HC plan of the NSDAP was, but it's not what nazi's were known for. As far as I know, the bill Obama proposed in America didn't involve anyone getting exterminated.

- When you need medical help in Europe, you might as well stay home and die because it lasts weeks or months before you get help
I usually have help the same day I call for an appointment. Sometimes it's a matter of days. If it's really urgent (I got the flu and can't get to work for example) it's the same day. If I go to the ER, I usually only wait 30min-1hour. Unless I'm bleeding to death or having a heart attack or a stroke or something in which case I get help immediately.
When I took an appointment for a routine check for my eyes at the eye doc's, I had an appointment next week. When I got an infection in my eye, I got an appointment the same day.
Stop listening to Fox News. If they tell you this bullshit, they're lying. Simple as that.

- Obama's a socialist. Liberals have a socialist agenda
When I look at their agenda, I see even less socialism than in our rightist parties in Europe. Seriously I'm not joking. And as I said, a certain degree of socialism isnt a bad thing. Doesn't mean you're gonna lose your freedom or that having portraits of Stalin everywhere in your house is mandatory by the law. Seriously, Liberal agenda's are faaaaaar from the socialism we know here in Europe and we are doing fine.

- The country simply doesn't have the money to afford healthcare for everyone
You're able to spend billions on a war in some foreign country nobody gives a shit about that has been going on for over 7 years (and counting) but you can't afford healthcare? What? I don't see the logic. It's not even that this war has made the world a better place. Did terrorism cease to exist? No it didn't. Did it help you get Osama Bin Laden? No it didn't. Did it stabilize the country? No it didn't. All you got, is the execution of an old frustrated dictator that may have been a bastard, but posed no threat to your nation and all you found for WMD's are a bunch of old tank shells filled with nerve gas burried somewhere deep underground that were too corroded to use anyways. Yay.
Seriously, if you can spend billions on this bullshit, you can afford healthcare too.

- This is not what our founding fathers wanted!
Ok well what DID they want? I'm not familiar with the US constitution, but lets think rationally for a second. When was that thing written? Decades ago. Times change in the meantime. What might have applied then, is not as obvious now. And I really doubt they would prefer to see people die or ruin themselves to get basic medical help. I'm pretty sure they'd prefer to see the country show a little solidarity within it's own citizens. You call yourselves "the justice bringer of the world!" and "the defenders of freedom on the planet" yet you refuse to help your own? Whut? You don't even have to read the fuckin' constitution to understand my point.

- God will take care of our healthcare for he is our Saviour! God will protect us
You're an idiot. These points are aimed at people who have at least SOME degree of intelligence. You obviously don't have that. Why the hell did God come up with ebola, malaria, AIDS, cancer, smallpox, the bubonic plague, flu and all these killer diseases in the first place? And I'm not even mentioning the fact that these diseases are treatable thanks to... healthcare and science. Yeah. Please swallow some strychnine.

- But we have health insurances that cover us. That's enough right?
Yeah. Untill the day you actually need them. Not only does the monthly fee cost you a shamefully high amount of money but these guys are private companies. What do private companies want? Make money. They don't give a shit about your health. A sick person for them = someone who will cost them money. So they just put some personnel on you that is paid to do just one thing: find some sort of bullshit excuse so that they don't have to pay your expenses. That's what insurers do when you have no government to keep these blood sucking scumbags in check. I've heard stories about insurers refusing to have a liver transplant for a child with leukemia because liver transplants are "too experimental"... whut? Or a story of a woman that was denied breast cancer surgery because in the past, her doctor treated her for acne but failed to see there was a cancer in her body. Or the story of a dude who was refused coverage because he gave up a wrong body weight when applying for the insurance... what the friggin fuck is this bullshit?
These guys exist for the sole purpose of fucking you in the ass.

- It's a step towards total control for the government. They will take over and turn this country in a dictatorship.
What's with this stupid idea anyways? You guys are thinking in black or white. There are all shades of grey in between. Why do you keep thinking that if this bill is passed, your government will all of a sudden go Kim Jong Il on you and take over and put you in gulags and death camps? What's with this "it's an evil conspiracy" bullshit? There is no conspiracy. All this bill wants to do, is introduce a little speck of socialism in a 100% capitalist country. So that everyone can have HC. Where the fuck do you see an evil takeover? What are you afraid of? Do we Europeans live in a dictatorship? No we don't. We're fine. I assure you, we're fine. Yet we have socialized healthcare. Seriously, you need to learn a little about the world and get out of your trailer park backyard sometimes.

There.


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Re: Common misconceptions about socialised healthcare

Post by NightFantom » Fri May 20, 2011 1:34 pm

A+

this should be featured in entire america
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Re: Common misconceptions about socialised healthcare

Post by PhogOlog » Fri May 20, 2011 2:14 pm

Dr.Boo wrote: - This is not what our founding fathers wanted!
I'm not familiar with the US constitution, but let me fill in what I think they would want.

Fucking ignorant
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Re: Common misconceptions about socialised healthcare

Post by ehlohel » Fri May 20, 2011 3:13 pm

PhogOlog wrote:
Dr.Boo wrote: - This is not what our founding fathers wanted!
I'm not familiar with the US constitution, but let me fill in what I think they would want.

Fucking ignorant
i lol'd

but anyway, this is pretty much hit the nail on the head.
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Re: Common misconceptions about socialised healthcare

Post by PhogOlog » Fri May 20, 2011 5:12 pm

I agree with boo's points as well lol
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