What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by dyl1138 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:00 am

Change is always happening everywhere. Every law of physics can be proven wrong. To answer this question we would need to have no knowledge and no experience. But if everything is made up of atoms, then there is change. There must be a constant for the sake of existence. Two is being hopeful. Without a reference point, how can we percieve the universe at all? This gets very Stephen Hawking-like and therefore completely wrong, so keep it simple. I say that since the universe exists, and there is erratic movement as evidenced by our existence, there is change. We are part of the universe, unlike time, which is a layer of dirt on our glasses.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Rat-morningstar » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:51 am

dyl1138 wrote:Change is always happening everywhere.
not neccesarily. as far as current theories go, there IS one or more basic particles everything's made of

Every law of physics can be proven wrong.
the posibility exists, however it's unlikely that the theory of relativity (as an example) turns out to be wrong all of a sudden
To answer this question we would need to have no knowledge and no experience. But if everything is made up of atoms, then there is change. There must be a constant for the sake of existence.
does there HAVE to be a constant? why should there be a single constant? any reasons for one could most likely be used as a reason for 2 or 3 constants.
Two is being hopeful. Without a reference point, how can we percieve the universe at all? This gets very Stephen Hawking-like and therefore completely wrong, so keep it simple. I say that since the universe exists, and there is erratic movement as evidenced by our existence, there is change. We are part of the universe, unlike time, which is a layer of dirt on our glasses.
wait, time, dirt, what?
last time i checked, time's a dimension like length or width
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Mad_Dugan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:19 am

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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Dr.Boo » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:30 pm

Reality.
Reality never stops. It's there no matter how dire the situation is. Even if everything in the universe ceases to exist, reality is still there: the reality that there is nothing.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by dyl1138 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:19 pm

Reality is in the eyes of the beholder. Even then reality would have to mean the universe or else the constant is not present in the whole universe. Even then, in the universe, not the universe. Particles can be broken down and built. The chances of a theory being right with the pocket of the Galaxy we have only seen are dim.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Nightwolf » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:26 pm

dyl1138 wrote:Reality is in the eyes of the beholder. Even then reality would have to mean the universe or else the constant is not present in the whole universe. Even then, in the universe, not the universe. Particles can be broken down and built. The chances of a theory being right with the pocket of the Galaxy we have only seen are dim.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by dyl1138 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:29 pm

ENTROPY?! you have failed. Please try again. It says that high thermal moves to lower thermal, which is our idea with a incredibly small range of temperature. 8000 degree range is not big enough to decide this. Also bottom lowest temperature, that only exists in empty vacuum as far as we know, repels thermal heat according to more trusted studies.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Rat-morningstar » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:42 pm

dyl1138 wrote:ENTROPY?! you have failed. Please try again. It says that high thermal moves to lower thermal, which is our idea with a incredibly small range of temperature. 8000 degree range is not big enough to decide this. Also bottom lowest temperature, that only exists in empty vacuum as far as we know, repels thermal heat according to more trusted studies.
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erm, entropy, in general, means that chaos increases
the amount of possible configurations increases

it isn't limited to "high thermal" or "low thermal"

also, in a complete vacuum, the complete absence of particles, "heat" doesn't exist
heat is the kinetic energy of particles
no particles, no heat
a complete vacuum doesn't necessarily repel heat, a vacuum is simply incapable of being "hot"



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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by dyl1138 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:49 pm

Nope I sorta broke some shit when I came out. She's not trying THAT again...
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by dyl1138 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:53 pm

Chaos increases tires the subject after a time. In the universe even. Eventually the big bang acceleration of everything will run out of energy, and the energy lost in translation will scatter and eventually convert into matter. Then, we will see what happens. Maybe everything will be put back together in a reverse big bang
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by dyl1138 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:54 pm

Chaos may end and start. It is relative.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Hooplah » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:57 pm

If change is constant, change never changes, so change is not constant.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by Nightwolf » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:03 pm

joeHOOPER wrote:If change is constant, change never changes, so change is not constant.
I believe your confusing linguistics with concepts.
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Re: What is the only constant in the existence of the universe?

Post by joe » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:24 pm

a lot of your questions will be answered if you just watch a video by sean carroll. he addresses all this stuff using science rather than guessing "maybe the universe will..."
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