Hey, let's get rid of double overheal already.

[John von Neumann]

I've been playing a lot of soldier, demo and pyro the past few nights and haven't noticed a difference with average server pop. Didn't even notice the extra overheal was gone until someone mentioned it. When the server is full, things can still be a bit cluster-fuckish (some maps far more than others) and a little extra overheal would be beneficial.

I would still suggest keeping the extra overheal for 25+ players, but only if headshots can kill a fully overhealed heavy. If backstabs can kill regardless of overheal, headshots should as well.

Parasyte, I agree with your suggestion. Playing as a medic lately, I have been less effective at keeping my whole team alive.

That said, I also suggest alternatively having 2x ubercharge rate (for all mediguns) when there are 25+ players. Wreckless pushing would still be punished, while stalemates would become less common as well.

Where is the 4x overheal that everyone wanted clearly admins don't read the thread well.

Scooby, I too would like to try 4x overheal. It would be interesting during silly Sundays.

[dmitri ravinoff]

so right now it's normal overhealing (to 150%), but slower decay?

[Eviltechie]

so right now it's normal overhealing (to 150%), but slower decay?

Correct.

[Helpful]

Parasyte, I agree with your suggestion. Playing as a medic lately, I have been less effective at keeping my whole team alive.

One of the problems with this change is that medics now have nothing to make up for the nerfs from friendly fire, higher player counts and custom maps. Teammate tap damage screws up the heal ramp, higher players leads to more damage on more people with less resources to deal with them and custom maps have a tendency to have open areas that let medics get rocket bombed really easily.

Its also really shittastic for Kunai spies and projack pyros.

Considering the person(s) who made this change are unwilling to talk, is it still possible to revert these changes or make new ones?

[Mastermind1011]

Parasyte, I agree with your suggestion. Playing as a medic lately, I have been less effective at keeping my whole team alive.

One of the problems with this change is that medics now have nothing to make up for the nerfs from friendly fire, higher player counts and custom maps. Teammate tap damage screws up the heal ramp, higher players leads to more damage on more people with less resources to deal with them and custom maps have a tendency to have open areas that let medics get rocket bombed really easily.

Its also really shittastic for Kunai spies and projack pyros.

Considering the person(s) who made this change are unwilling to talk, is it still possible to revert these changes or make new ones?

What

So because friendly fire can occasionally fuck up your gameplay (which is true for every class in every situation), here specifically screwing with the Medic mechanic of healing ramp up, we should change an entirely separate mechanic to compensate?

You're complaining that a single medic can't take care his whole team since there could be more than twelve? Why should he be able to? Why not have one of the extra players go medic? Why change overheal? The applicable mechanics here are heal rate and heal decay anyways, one of which the server already has buffed.

Also, how does bad map design on SOME maps warrant changing a core class mechanic that is in effect on ALL maps?

Just why should the medic be more effective than he is at default at keeping people alive? Especially when you want to achieve it by implementing a mechanic that Valve itself has repeatedly played with throughout the game's lifespan and rejected every time.

[Helpful]

Edit: cant get spaces to condense this, sorry for the big'ol wall of text

here specifically screwing with the Medic mechanic of healing ramp up, we should change an entirely separate mechanic to compensate?

or another one? Its not like I'm specifically saying that the only way to fix this problem is by changing overheal
But until there is another change, over heal works fine for fixing the problem and is better than having no solution at all.

You're complaining that a single medic can't take care his whole team since there could be more than twelve?

I dont know where your getting that from, the quote by John von Neumann maybe? I talked about how medics have a harder time healing on this server than they would on a valve or vanilla server.

Why should he be able to?

Because the job of the medic is to keep his teammates alive? I dont understand the objection to this
do you think by team that people are referring to a medic being able to keep 23 other plays alive simultaneously?
I think what most people mean by team is the 6-8 players around the medic near points and such, at least that's what I mean by it

Why change overheal? The applicable mechanics here are heal rate and heal decay anyways, one of which the server already has buffed.

So you want another way to balance medic? Okay. In the meantime though, medics are underpowered and people are less inclined to play the class that facilitates team play, coordination and fun, morso than any other.

We have something that has worked and its been suddenly removed, it should be put back, until some other concept is fleshed out and tested.

why should the medic be more effective than he is at default at keeping people alive?

because hes worse at keeping people alive on this server then he is at default, so making changes that increase the usefulness of the medic to normal keeps the class from being gimped and unfun.

[Mastermind1011]

Okay you literally didn't address anything. You say medics are disadvantaged on this server compared to vanilla. The only reasoning you have given for this is that, in addition to enemies, friendly fire gives your teammates additional chances to screw up. That isn't a medic nerf. That's an everything nerf, particularly affecting offense more than defense but that's another topic. Yes it makes it harder to be a medic. It makes it harder for everybody, in particular the soldier, demo, and heavy, because it requires a higher level of coordination between the team. If you can't keep everybody alive because your team is acting like a bunch of idiots, well, that's kind of the point.

[rottencheeseCA]

I just want to keep giving mastermind positive encouragement. I thought you did a great job addressing his complaints. It's like you are saying what I'm thinking! Keep up the good work.

[Cheddars]

I just realized that I can no longer consistently pull off sudden death melee standoffs with the powerjack pyro.

[dmitri ravinoff]

as a medic, losing the super overheal makes me really sad... but I agree that it kinda had to be done. rip in peace

[mbaxter]

I just wish to point out that earlier today I set overheal to 6000% and it was glorious.

[I_AM_SQUIRREL]

Do that on silly sunday only else it would be to OP with very little players on the server